Be a good neighbour.
Be a good neighbour.
Originally shared by Ben Doll
I want to take a minute to call everyone's attention to a growing problem. We are not secret agents; nor do we have special privilege to enter places. Please don't cast ingress into the shadows and cause people to look at our community as criminals. If you are unsure if you should be someplace please use the smart approach and don't enter. It is every player’s responsibility to make sure ingress is a positive experience.
Ingress Community Guidelines.
https://support.google.com/ingress/answer/2808360?hl=en
State farm is there? 😄
ReplyDeleteif they can't be accessed by the public during the day then they should be reported and removed.
ReplyDeletePhil Nolan there are portals on every military base i have looked at on Intel. Niantic Project stance has been to allow them because they are accessible to military personal, dependents, and retirees.
ReplyDeletePat L. That's a shame, Portals should be accessible to anyone.
ReplyDeleteagreed they should be accessible to everyone even if its a more remote location it should be accessible either by car, bike, or foot during atleast durning daylight hours. Only fair just my .02
ReplyDeleteJoe Philley in the same vein as this conversation. Talking to non-ingress players about some of the things I spend my time doing in game, one thing repeatedly upsets them. That is playing Ingress in Graveyards. Almost every person i have talked to feels that playing this, or any, game in a graveyard is disrespectful to those laid to rest there. I also do not like to play in graveyards, and actively try to not go to them if i can help it.
ReplyDeletePat L. And yet there are a large number of tombs in our cemeteries that are important and bringing people to cemeteries is important. They don't exist for the dead, but for the living. In fact, we have an annual run through several of our cemeteries to help keep them up. I am opposed to any general cemetery rules which do not respect local treatment of cemeteries.
ReplyDeletePat L., in the state of Tennessee it is a felony to play any game inside a cemetery. However, we cannot seem to get any cemetery portals removed.
ReplyDeleteWhat about shift workers who have opposite schedules? Should they be excluded too if we can only during daylight hours?
ReplyDeleteSteven C The point isn't the severity.
ReplyDeleteOn the subject of bases, military personnel are allowed to play ingress, right? Why block them from placing portals in their neighborhood? Service members are part of the public, too. Also, Joint Base Lewis - McChord here in the Washington is having a "public day" this weekend. We went to a similar event at the naval station nearer to us a couple years ago.
ReplyDeletePat L. My neighborhood crew uses a cemetery as a farm sometimes. We are respectful (we feel), mindful of the grieving family members that are sometimes there, and will leave if there are services. The whole area is a driving loop, we don't go tramping over graves, and we follow the rules posted by the cemetery. Ingress can be played quietly, it's not like we are paintballing in cemeteries...
Raul Swain Well the military don't live on public land. What if you owned a farm and wanted to place your own portals all over your land? Should that be OK?
ReplyDeleteMost bases are only accessible by military personnel which in my opinion is not consider public access which means these portals should be removed because for them to be only access by a certain group of people allows for such things like inaccessible guardian portals which is an unfair advantage also if these portals can act as anchors!
ReplyDeletePat L. I have to disagree with respect to the fact that the idea of ingress is to get people to go to places of interest like cemeteries and battlefields. For me though when I do go to cemeteries I do show my respect by keeping to paths and not walk on graves. I also try to keep a low voice out of respect to anybody who might be visiting a love one at the cemetary
ReplyDeleteTodd Varwig Now that is interesting. I am lazy, do you have a link to this law? I would like to see what the state constitutes as a game!
ReplyDeleteCell phones themselves encourage unsafe driving. Hence cell phone laws. The problem isn't Ingress in vehicles. It's being on ur phone/scanner, while being the driver.
ReplyDeleteSetting threshold for lower speed also takes away the abilities of passengers in vehicles to play. Ingress keeps my kids quiet on trips. It also takes out the ability of several commuters my community depends on, to play.
As far as cemeteries. My family is buried in our local cemetery. I had actual never been to their graves until Ingress. I hated the solitude and sadness associated to it. All our cemetary portals are on the roads. We had players move one away from the road once, but we promptly got it moved back. As to not have people on foot running through.
However I do take serious offense to people being there after dark. The cemetary during the daytime is a place for you to interact with those who rest there. To take in the history. And the overall atmosphere of respect and love that is the cemetery. At night is their turn to rest. And if ur stomping through at night, it is only because you have one goal. Portals. And if ur breaking laws to begin with to be there. Then obviously respect is not in ur mindset one bit. And you don't deserve to be an Ingress player.
The idea behind portals is to learn, respect, and interact with ur community. As well as other's communities. Not win at all costs. As there is no endpoint winning at this time.
Matthew Battle Most military bases are accessible to all members of the military Active duty, Guard and Reserves, additionally the vast majority of bases are open to dependents, civilians who work on the bases (they often outnumber the military personnel), civilians who deliver stuff onto bases, oh and every veteran or retiree as well. The numbers who can actually go on base at anytime is rather large. Contrast that with the very small number of people who can access the GooglePlex.
ReplyDeleteThat is the key. If Google goes to put military bases which are open to a substantial portion of the population off limits, the pressure will then be on to remove all portals from all closed corporate campuses (like the GooglePlex) as well as from any private universities, private parks, privately owned cemeteries (another discussion in itself) and anywhere that is not specifically public property.
Oh and many military bases are open to anyone who can present an ID (DL) and a reasonable destination.
They have never said every portal must be available to every player. As long as portals are not located in areas where players will get into legal trouble anytime they try to access the portals. The portals are fair.
That USAtoday article, which was actually the local TV station there in Norfolk first came out in late Feb, early Mar. Since then the player base has grown, many more portals have gone live on and off base and not another peep has been made about the game and military bases.
Your concerns are based on a flawed premise and an old news report.
Thank you Phil Nolan if the military themselves ask for portals on bases to be removed I would consider that to be the final answer to that debate.
ReplyDeleteJust like portals being removed in hospitals requesting so.
Please respect if land owners do not want portals and strangers on their property.
In my opinion all portals should be public access as in public without ever needing to show ID cards.
But at least remove portals from "public" areas where the landowner asks for them to be removed.
Also Niantic Labs should be way easier to contact.
When even the military and news stations can not contact them there is a communication problem.
Steven C I bike and play at the same time when I head to work so 10 mph is no good for us who bike and bike seriously
ReplyDeleteDoes this mean that reports of trespassing in parks after dark will be taken seriously and acted upon?
ReplyDeleteSteven C depending on the time I'm biking there are no pedestrians I work night shifts. Also i tend to stop to hack or attack. As this time the 35 mph limit is ok but if I attack then am outside of the moving range if 35 mph by my next action I can't do anything. I can easily hack at a stop then bike faster that 10 mph and stop at the next portal and have to wait for the what I will call location wave to catch up
ReplyDeleteMost statutes that prohibit playing games inside a cemetary, are refering to physical sports and were designed to keep people from playing frisbee or other active, potentially destructive games. You can safely show that Ingress is not a threat by a) acting in respectful and calm in manner and speech when in a cemetery (especially by not disrupting any services being held!) and b) not describing Ingress as a game when questioned. Call it an Augmented Reality Application that allows users to find unique historical and artistic locations in the community. Ask questions of the caretakers about the monuments & memorials that have been made portals. People are far less likely to be antagonistic towards you being there, if you show an genuine interest in the space.
ReplyDeleteWe had an old agreement in my area of play. If you break the law while ingressing, you don't tell whomever catches you that you are ingressing. We understand that each individual is responsible for their own actions. No game, no device and no vehicle made you break the law. Take responsibility for your own actions. Stop blaming your poor decisions on inanimate objects.
ReplyDeleteMurdering someone is illegal, but paying someone else to do it is illegal too.
ReplyDeleteIngress is awarding points for trespassing and in that way I do not think that they can be considered impartial, especially with military personnel asking for the portals to be removed.
The guy in the interview Nolan posted is a retired admiral, but hearing his views I would consider it polite of Niantic to take formal contact with the US military to hear their opinion.
As for the "historically" argument, then slavery has historically been used, but it is not something I approve of.
If people of today request that graveyards with their loved ones are quiet places then I find it impolite to demand being allowed to be there to play a game.
People do not go to in circles 12 times for the art, it is for digital equipment.
If you want to pull the art appreciation card then you should not make farms with multihacks at graveyards, just visit them once for the unique visit and cultural appreciation.
Tina Jensen please show where the military has asked for portals to be removed.
ReplyDeleteNobody has, I personally know a couple Major's and a Col who play the game.
A retired Admiral in no way speaks for ANY branch or office of the military, he is RETIRED.
Since that article originally aired on Norfolk TV back in Feb, and then was picked up by USAToday, it's hard to claim that the military is unaware of the game. Yet no one actually authorized to speak for the military has said a thing about it.
If it was a problem, those tens of thousands of portals (or more) on our military bases would disappear overnight as the streetview feature of Google Maps did a long time ago. Yet the portals remain.
Military bases are not going off limits any time soon. So stop trying to get em off limits just because you can't just waltz in to those portals any old time. I and millions of ither people can.